Conventional wisdom, based on the last 8 years, is that LSU's best chances at SEC championships (and therefore a BCS bowl) occur in odd years. Because that's when LSU has played Florida and Auburn in Baton Rouge.
There's a reason it's conventional wisdom - it played out pretty well. LSU won the SEC in 2001, 2003, and 2007. They won the SEC-west in 2005. Of course, the Tigers won the BCS Championship in 2003 and 2007. During each odd numbered year, LSU beat Auburn at home and split the games 2-2 with Florida.
LSU lost to Auburn in each of 2000, 2002, 2004, and 2006. They split those games with Florida again. Most importantly, the Tigers did not compete for the SEC Championship in any of those years.
The key to this conventional wisdom is clearly Auburn, not Florida. When LSU beat Auburn, they competed in the West. And until this past year, the home team had won the LSU-Auburn matchup since 2000.
But what now? LSU beat Auburn on the road in 2008. And Auburn appears to be on the ropes and fading fast. After a very tough season, Tubby is out, Chizik is in, and nobody seems to think that's anything other than an Auburn disaster. Assuming they're right, is the "Odd Year" conventional wisdom still applicable?
No. LSU's road to Atlanta and a future BCS championship game will be just as tough in the odd years as it has been in the even years.
Why? Because the conference has significantly changed. Alabama is back and they're not going anywhere unless Saban's ego pushes him into insanity again. That may not happen. Ole Miss has a good QB, a very good football coach, and - with Mississippi State struggling again - they may just be able to haul in enough 4 stars to make a run at the West on occassion. And who knows what Arkansas is going to do in ANY year? They've got LSU's number lately, that's fo sho. Florida will continue to roll, although a resurgent Florida State and Miami may take a bite out of Urban Meyer's classy recruiting business. Georgia still has a great coaching staff, tons of talent, and are recruiting very, very well. Tennessee, like Mississippi State and Auburn, appears to be in a downward spiral. But the difference there is that Tennessee (I think) can recruit themselves right back into the thick of the SEC East in just a year or two. Not so much with Auburn and Mississippi State in the West.
So how does that play out?
In 2009, LSU's significant home games will be Florida, Auburn and Arkansas. We've already established that the Florida series is a toss-up and Arkansas is completely unpredictable. The Tigers could very easily lose both those games any season - as recent history clearly shows. Assuming Auburn is tumbling down mediocrity mountain, we'll call that one a more secure W. LSU's significant away games in 2009 will be Georgia, Alabama and Ole Miss. Ouch. That looks tough. All told, I think it's a toss up whether LSU is more likely to struggle at home or away in 2009. Maybe both? With a new DC (God, please!) and mystery of all mysteries at QB? 2009 may be the most unpredictable LSU football season in recent memory.
In 2010, LSU plays Florida, Auburn and Arkansas away, with a similar analysis. Of course, Auburn may have recovered a bit, but Arkansas will probably be as good as they're going to be under Petrino by then. The home schedule includes Tennessee, Alabama and Ole Miss. Arguably our toughest challenge, especially if Tennessee has recovered under thier new coach by then. LSU, by 2010, will have secured it's defensive schemes, settled in at QB, and have some of the 2009 recruiting class playing as sophomores. If I had to pick the next year that LSU is likely to compete for the SEC title again, I'd say it's 2010.
So, the conventional wisdom that says our season depends on playing Auburn and Florida at home is over. It was valid - at least in the case of Auburn - until this past year.
Now, the conventional wisdom will be - what? Even years because we have Alabama at home? Maybe. But I doubt it.
I don't think there will be any conventional scheduling wisdom for awhile. The SEC may be reaching a level of parity that will make any season a contender-possibility for up to 3 teams in each division. Lots of drama. I'm just hoping that we can get an SEC team through the championship game each year with only 1 loss so that they can compete for the big show. That might be another casualty of too much parity.
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Monday, December 15, 2008
Tuesday, February 12, 2008
How Strong is the SEC? Strongest Ever?
In an effort to binge post, here's another longish entry. This was motivated by a comment made by one of my compatriots on TigerForums. Paraphrasing, he said that he thought the SEC was the strongest it had ever been.
This sounded right to me, but I wondered. So I looked into it. Here's what I found.
Bottom line up front: the SEC was most dominant in the late 50s through mid 70s, but is in a resurgence at the present. Also, Bama has been most consistent in last 50 years, but LSU, UF, UGA, Tenn, and Auburn have a great record of performance as well.
DISCLAIMER: I decided to use AP Poll Top 20 data from 1958 to the present (because I don't have unlimited time and I just love the year 1958, don't you?). Top 20 because the AP didn't do Top 25 before the 80s. Used the UPI during the 8 years or so that the AP only put out a Top 10. Included both teams tied for 20th when applicable. Only included teams who were in the conference at the time of the poll (dropped Tulane and GT when applicable, added SC and Arky in '91).
I used the following site to find the poll data.
http://www.collegefootballpoll.com/p...present_h.html
And this site to find SEC history.
http://www.secfootball.itgo.com/history.html
Here's the percentage of SEC teams that ended the season in the Top 20 for each "decade" between 1958 and today. Percentage is based on opportunities for Top 20 divided by achievement of End of Year Top 20 - cumulative across the decade.
% of SEC Teams in Top 20 - Last 50 years
1998 - 2007: 36%
1988 - 1997: 32%
1978 - 1987: 31%
1968 - 1977: 40%
1958 - 1967: 38%
So, right away, you can see that the SEC was "deepest" and most competitive nationally between 1958 and 1977 (very roughly). Big drop off from 1978 to 1997 (very roughly). And we are in a resurgence.
Here's the Team performance during that period.
Team/#1/Top 5/Top 10/Top 20
Alabama/5/14/26/33
LSU/3/7/14/26
Florida/2/7/14/25
Georgia/1/7/16/26
Tennessee/1/7/14/26
Auburn/0/5/14/27
Ole Miss/0/4/6/14
Kentucky/0/0/1/4
Miss State/0/0/0/4
Arkansas**/0/0/0/3
Ga Tech**/0/0/0/2
S. Carolina**/0/0/0/2
Vanderbilt/0/0/0/0
Tulane**/0/0/0/0
** Teams were not in SEC for the entire period. Non-SEC rankings were NOT included.
Right away, Bama sticks out as absolutely dominant until the last 12 years. I don't have time to research it, but I wonder if any team in the country has ever had that kind of success over as long a period of time.
Basically, Bama practically doubles the stats of LSU, UF, Tenn, UGA and Auburn.
Look how similar LSU, UF, Tenn, UGA and Auburn are! Basically, six SEC teams have been in the Top 20 over 50% of the time over the last 50 years. I'd be interested in someone else's analysis of the Big 10/12 or Pac 10. Wonder what the other teams look like.
Standout Years (my opinion, non LSU-biased):
1959: #2 Ole Miss, #3 LSU, #5 UGA, #10 Bama, #19 UF (4 in Top 10)
1961: #1 Bama, #4 LSU, #5 Ole Miss, #13 GA Tech (3 in Top 5!)
1965: #4 Bama, #7 Tenn, #12 UF, #14 LSU, #15 UGA, #17 Ole Miss, #18 UK (7 in Top 18)
1971: #4 Bama, #7 UGA, #9 Tenn, #11 LSU, #12 Auburn, #15 Ole Miss (6 in Top 20)
1983: #3 Auburn, #4 UGA, #6 UF, #15 Bama (3 in Top 6)
1992: #1 Bama, #8 UGA, #10 UF, #12 Tenn, #16 Ole Miss (5 in Top 16)
1996: #1 UF, #9 Tenn, #11 Bama, #12 LSU (4 in Top 12)
1997: #4 UF, #7 Tenn, #10 UGA, #11 Auburn, #13 LSU (5 in Top 13)
1999: #8 Bama, #9 Tenn, #12 UF, #13 Miss St, #16 UGA, #17 Arky (6 in Top 17)
2001: #3 UF, #4 Tenn, #7 LSU, #13 S. Car (3 in Top 7)
2007: #1 LSU, #2 UGA, #12 Tenn, #13 UF, #15 Auburn (2 in Top 2, 5 in Top 15)
Other notes:
Ole Miss: 12 Top 20 teams in 14 years between 1958 and 1971. Only 2 more in the next 36 years.
LSU Dry Spells: 1974-1981 (McClendon, Rein, Stovall), 1989-1995 (Archer, Hallman, DiNardo).
This sounded right to me, but I wondered. So I looked into it. Here's what I found.
Bottom line up front: the SEC was most dominant in the late 50s through mid 70s, but is in a resurgence at the present. Also, Bama has been most consistent in last 50 years, but LSU, UF, UGA, Tenn, and Auburn have a great record of performance as well.
DISCLAIMER: I decided to use AP Poll Top 20 data from 1958 to the present (because I don't have unlimited time and I just love the year 1958, don't you?). Top 20 because the AP didn't do Top 25 before the 80s. Used the UPI during the 8 years or so that the AP only put out a Top 10. Included both teams tied for 20th when applicable. Only included teams who were in the conference at the time of the poll (dropped Tulane and GT when applicable, added SC and Arky in '91).
I used the following site to find the poll data.
http://www.collegefootballpoll.com/p...present_h.html
And this site to find SEC history.
http://www.secfootball.itgo.com/history.html
Here's the percentage of SEC teams that ended the season in the Top 20 for each "decade" between 1958 and today. Percentage is based on opportunities for Top 20 divided by achievement of End of Year Top 20 - cumulative across the decade.
% of SEC Teams in Top 20 - Last 50 years
1998 - 2007: 36%
1988 - 1997: 32%
1978 - 1987: 31%
1968 - 1977: 40%
1958 - 1967: 38%
So, right away, you can see that the SEC was "deepest" and most competitive nationally between 1958 and 1977 (very roughly). Big drop off from 1978 to 1997 (very roughly). And we are in a resurgence.
Here's the Team performance during that period.
Team/#1/Top 5/Top 10/Top 20
Alabama/5/14/26/33
LSU/3/7/14/26
Florida/2/7/14/25
Georgia/1/7/16/26
Tennessee/1/7/14/26
Auburn/0/5/14/27
Ole Miss/0/4/6/14
Kentucky/0/0/1/4
Miss State/0/0/0/4
Arkansas**/0/0/0/3
Ga Tech**/0/0/0/2
S. Carolina**/0/0/0/2
Vanderbilt/0/0/0/0
Tulane**/0/0/0/0
** Teams were not in SEC for the entire period. Non-SEC rankings were NOT included.
Right away, Bama sticks out as absolutely dominant until the last 12 years. I don't have time to research it, but I wonder if any team in the country has ever had that kind of success over as long a period of time.
Basically, Bama practically doubles the stats of LSU, UF, Tenn, UGA and Auburn.
Look how similar LSU, UF, Tenn, UGA and Auburn are! Basically, six SEC teams have been in the Top 20 over 50% of the time over the last 50 years. I'd be interested in someone else's analysis of the Big 10/12 or Pac 10. Wonder what the other teams look like.
Standout Years (my opinion, non LSU-biased):
1959: #2 Ole Miss, #3 LSU, #5 UGA, #10 Bama, #19 UF (4 in Top 10)
1961: #1 Bama, #4 LSU, #5 Ole Miss, #13 GA Tech (3 in Top 5!)
1965: #4 Bama, #7 Tenn, #12 UF, #14 LSU, #15 UGA, #17 Ole Miss, #18 UK (7 in Top 18)
1971: #4 Bama, #7 UGA, #9 Tenn, #11 LSU, #12 Auburn, #15 Ole Miss (6 in Top 20)
1983: #3 Auburn, #4 UGA, #6 UF, #15 Bama (3 in Top 6)
1992: #1 Bama, #8 UGA, #10 UF, #12 Tenn, #16 Ole Miss (5 in Top 16)
1996: #1 UF, #9 Tenn, #11 Bama, #12 LSU (4 in Top 12)
1997: #4 UF, #7 Tenn, #10 UGA, #11 Auburn, #13 LSU (5 in Top 13)
1999: #8 Bama, #9 Tenn, #12 UF, #13 Miss St, #16 UGA, #17 Arky (6 in Top 17)
2001: #3 UF, #4 Tenn, #7 LSU, #13 S. Car (3 in Top 7)
2007: #1 LSU, #2 UGA, #12 Tenn, #13 UF, #15 Auburn (2 in Top 2, 5 in Top 15)
Other notes:
Ole Miss: 12 Top 20 teams in 14 years between 1958 and 1971. Only 2 more in the next 36 years.
LSU Dry Spells: 1974-1981 (McClendon, Rein, Stovall), 1989-1995 (Archer, Hallman, DiNardo).
Tuesday, December 4, 2007
Tigers Dominate All-SEC Team
First team: Glenn Dorsey, Craig Steltz, Chevis Jackson, Ali Highsmith, Herman Johnson, Patrick Fisher and Colt David.
Second team: Jacob Hester, Darry Beckwith, and Ciron Black.
LSU led the SEC with 10 players overall and 7 on the first team.
Thursday, September 6, 2007
SI's Trocchi ranks SEC #1 and Pac-10 #2 in his conference rankings - Pac-10 moves up 3 after Cal's win over Tenn.
Saturday, August 25, 2007
Tennessee beating out LSU as the SEC champs? Interesting thought...I'll have to take a harder look at the Vols...well, as hard as is possible considering that....orange.
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